The attachment above is a radio interview with Nick Turner and Phil Welches on their book, Mindfulness-Based Sobriety (Turner, N., Welches, P., and Conti, S.), published by New Harbinger in 2014. This interview was conducted by Dr. Michelle Skeen on May 6, 2014 on the California-based KCAA AM-1050 show, "Relationships 2."